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# admin: June to September 09 update
# Re: C: Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?
# Re: C: pleasure punishing or from dominating her man?
# Re: P: fag pig dog bitch - online or phone slave
# Re: P: out of the closet Phoenicia NY
# S: In The Bank Manager's Cupboard. Part Thirty-six


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admin: June to September 09 update
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:37:35 +0100
From: "Christine" at u4ds.com


Hello,

I've now completed and uploaded the June to September 09 update
update to the members web site.

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and access or search the last 13 years of DOMestic.

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Re: C: Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?
From: Madamplz
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:09:37 EDT


jazzclassic wrote:

>I do think that the necessity to milk is a myth, a myth put
>forth by men.

slaveboy wrote:

>My gut tells me the same thing


Does it occur to you that perhaps Mistress might be the one who
needs to milk?


Vicki Tern wrote:

>Which has little to do with a main humiliating effect of
>"milking,"


Yes, exactly.


sub ray wrote:

>"Mistress has not yet tried to do it, but with a prostate
>plug, i am able to leak a lot."


Some men leak a tremendous amount of pre-cum depending on the
stimulation. I once used a TENS anal plug with a urethral TENS
plug and placed electro pads on the boy's balls. He leaked non-
stop, profusely for at least an hour. Good times.


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Re: C: Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:55:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pietro Bianchi


There is no research, to the best of my knowledge (I am a
urologist) that has seen any benefit to the prostate with
milking or massage. The nocturnal ejaculation happens only in
some men in some cases. IT is anyway a sort of "emergency"
emptying and not the normal process thought by nature to empty
the prostate. Whether the semen is spurted out the normal way or
goes into the bladder depends only on the tone of the internal
sphincter, and has nothing to do with the health of the
prostate.

Ejaculation is an "active" process, where muscles of the
prostate and seminal vesicles contract and the content is
expelled from the gland. This is supposed to avoid the build up
of some toxins inside the gland, and is believed to be the
reason for better prostate health in men with more frequent
ejaculations.

As I write, we don't know if milking-massaging produces the same
effects and results. By the same token we don't know if wet
dreams or dripping at times provide the same benefits (by common
sense probably not - personal opinion).

I am not saying that prolonged denial is unhealthy, but that we
simply do not know. I think it is childish to pretend that
everything "we" do is safe, and getting to that conclusion by
reasoning. There is no reasoning in biological things, we've
seen that several times.

Prolonged denial is not "natural", when a male is aroused, by
nature, it is meant to ejaculate. It is pleasurable, for some
people for some reasons, to be forced not to do that. Fine for
them (I am one of them by the way), but why pretend that it is
perfectly safe and healthy?


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Re: C: Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?
Date: 22 Sep 2009 22:51:21 -0000
From: slaveboy


Madamplz wrote:

>Does it occur to you that perhaps Mistress might be the one
>who needs to milk?


No, not in my case. She definitely does not. But, now that you
have responded to this, I have been meaning to ask you a
question about a former posting concerning strap ons, where you
ended it with a question like "Why would I want to be inert?" if
I recall correctly. I would love if you would elaborate on that
if you can. It kind of left me "hanging" as to what you meant.
Thanks!

David's thoughtful answer has been duly noted. I guess I should
have added "in a healthy individual" but apparently there is the
concern by some that remaining chaste for long periods could
cause a problem.


Pietro Bianchi wrote:

>There is no reasoning in biological things, we've seen that
>several times.


I believe that there is a logic and a reason for everything that
occurs in nature, but I would love to hear more about what
examples you are referring to.

You also said:

>Prolonged denial is not "natural", when a male is aroused, by
>nature, it is meant to ejaculate. It is pleasurable, for some
>people for some reasons, to be forced not to do that. Fine for
>them (I am one of them by the way), but why pretend that it is
>perfectly safe and healthy?


Why "pretend" it is not healthy, given the way it makes me feel?
I'm healthier than I've ever been, I'm in the best shape, (I
work out much more now that I'm chaste) I'm the most in love,
and my mental state is better than most of my life and most of
that comes from chastity.

As I said, I believe everything in nature happens for a reason,
and I believe that the good feelings that come from chastity
occur for a reason. I am only speaking for myself but chastity
works best for me, and if every two to four weeks, minimum, my
58 year old body finds a way to expel it, I don't really think
I'm pushing any biological or physical limits to a level that I
need to be concerned about.

Mentally, I am finding that chastity takes me to places I cannot
otherwise go and the result has me wanting to journey farther
into chastity. I am finding things out about myself that I would
otherwise not know. It is something that needs to be experienced
beyond the initial frustration that is to be expected. Moving
beyond there can be highly enlightening, at least it has been
for me.

Chastity offers the opposite of the "down" that accompanies many
if not most orgasms, but being an accumulation over time vs. the
single act of one orgasm, I believe it has physical benefits,
rather than perils and risks.

I do this not out of "belief" or ideology, but empirically, from
my body, just the same way as I can tell that a food is good for
me after eating it, or that junk food is bad for me, after
eating it.

Not to argue with anyone here, but I have to believe my body and
my experience when it tells me that chastity is good for me. To
me that is only logical. Someday that logic may let me down, but
at 58 I feel comfortable that it has served me well this long
and will probably continue to, based on experience. I trust my
body and that has served me well.

"Expert" medical opinions come and go and we usually find out
that what we all take for granted is often proven false with the
next round of scientific discoveries. I'll MUCH rather trust my
own body, thank you very much.

sb

p.s. That is why I called our chastity devices website
chastityheaven and not chastityhell :-)


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Re: C: pleasure punishing or from dominating her man?
Date: 22 Sep 2009 22:00:22 -0000
From: slaveboy


Joe wrote:

>Do Mistresses really get excited punishing or otherwise
>dominating her man or do they just fake pleasure?


It's a question I have pondered and in the early days I thought
I was being put on, but now I know that it can be true. I guess
it would depend on the Mistress as well as the situation.

I once snuck a look at a questionnaire my Mistress answered and
one of the questions I saw was something like "Do you get added
sexual pleasure from denying your slave any sexual pleasure of
his own" and she answered "yes".

If "teasing" falls under the category of "dominating" then I
definitely think some Mistress' absolutely do get pleasure from
some types of domination. I know mine does. She really enjoys
teasing me, knowing I cannot do anything about it because I'm
locked up.

Thank goodness for that natural "high" David wrote about in
response to my milking question. When Mistress very explicitly
teases me, as She recently did, the high is wonderful. She had
me get into an uncomfortable position, knees bent while standing
on tip toes, hands clasped behind my neck.

As long as I could hold my position, she continued to tease me
with a foot show, this was right after having me give her a
pedicure. It was wonderful and had me totally intoxicated so I
continued to hold the position until my thighs really burned. I
was high and she was turned on, judging from what happened
after.

http://www.chastity heaven

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Re: C: pleasure punishing or from dominating her man?
Date: 22 Sep 2009 23:52:26 -0000
From: Rachel


I really get excited when I am able to show off my power over my
husband in front of my girl friends. I really start leaking when
I make him kiss and massage my feet in front of my sister and/or
mother or tell him to drop his pants to show them the lacy
panties I make him wear and his cock locked in the CB-6000.

I don't know how to describe the feeling but I really get turned
on.

Rachel


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Re: C: pleasure punishing or from dominating her man?
From: "Just Saber"
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:21:21 -0500


Joe asked:

>Do Mistresses really get excited punishing or otherwise
>dominating her man or do they just fake pleasure?

I can't speak for others but speaking for myself, the answer is
a resounding YES! But then I am a semi-sadistic Dominant

Saber
AKA Miss Stress
http://misssaber.4mg.com

"Vocabulary enables us to interpret and to express. If you have a limited
vocabulary, you will also have a limited vision and a limited future."-Jim Rohn


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Re: P: fag pig dog bitch - online or phone slave
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:51:26 -0000
From: m - "starfox27588"


Hello,

I am a 28 year old a male (Atlanta area) looking to become a
full time online, text, or phone slave. I am just a pig for your
fun. Make me beat my cock until I cry. My cock is only 3 inches
when hard.

Make me into an animal, a pig, a sissy, whatever you wish. I am
a toy for your fun. Take control of my life as much as you wish.
Do to me as you wish. Ask and I'll give out my phone number.

Starfox27588

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Re: P: out of the closet Phoenicia NY
Date: 23 Sep 2009 03:29:35 -0000
From: shywon


glennbonne mentioned:

>"i am seeking a dom woman or couple to own me. anything goes, i
>know where i need to be, at a woman's feet to serve"


"Anything" encompasses a lot. We will own you, just send us all
your cash after you empty your bank account. (sorry folks,
couldn't resist)

Please don't say "Anything goes" if you don't want to give up
everything - including your life. Thanks


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S: In The Bank Manager's Cupboard. Part Thirty-six
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:31:21 +0100
From: "Christine" at u4ds.com


Previous issues.


In The Bank Manager's Cupboard - by Ms. Christine
Copyright 1986-2009 Christine and David Stevenson


Part Thirty-six


Christine slipped the belt between Table's body and the
table top. She strapped it tight beneath him and fixed
the expansion straps, pulling the foreskin right back
to fit one behind his penis head.

Catrina appeared on the video screen, ordering David
onto his belly to lick her boot heels, as she stood legs
astride and arms akimbo.

Catrina liked to order slaves to lick her long stiletto
heels while she stood thus. The slave could look up her
skirt, if she were wearing one, satisfying her exhibitionism.
At the same time frustrating the male sexuality, her sadism
stimulated by the grovelling of the male beneath her.

Madam Kwai, seeing that the 'facility' was now free,
went upstairs to enjoy her turn. Her 'Table' was now
under the control of Christine, the vibrator still
degrading him internally. Christine was now
experimenting with the faradic equipment.

Sadine, Karin, Marique and Christine were all
entertained by Catrina's show. Karin was playing her
hand aimlessly over Pippa's nether regions while
attentive to the screen.

Christine similarly had two shows to amuse her.
One on screen, the other being 'Table' writhing with
alternating brief pleasure and intense discomfort.

Catrina was now sat on David's bed, legs spread. David
was obeying her orders to lick her boots from the heels
to the tops.

David had considerable difficulty complying with her
instructions, his hands still secure behind his back.

Catrina threatened, "Make a good job of cleaning my
boots, you are already in trouble for ogling me earlier,
you don't want me to double your punishment for sloppy
service."

David shook his head as he struggled to his knees to lick
further up. Catrina laughed at his efforts as she enjoyed his
tribulations.

When David had completed the boots she put his mouth to
use on her breasts and nipples.

Sadine confessed to Marique, "I hope she gets around to
punishing him soon".

Marique replied, "She likes to savour a man's submission
and servility first"

A loud moan came from 'Table' as he ejaculated in
response to Christine's torture.

As the ladies all applauded the spectacle, Christine
informed them, "He won't enjoy it, but I think I can
induce orgasmic spasms every five minutes or so".

Karin enquired, "Won't that give him too much
pleasure?"

Christine assured her, "Oh No! After the first two
he'll be dry, it will be more pain than pleasure".

Karin declared, "I can't wait to get mine, I like the
idea of milking David without giving him pleasure!"

Christine agreed, "If you bring about his first two
orgasms quickly, then you can give him another dozen
or so without giving him much pleasure at all.."

Sadine interjected, "That should be enough to put any
man off sex for a few days!"

Marique enthused, "I like the idea of using a sex slave
who has been drained, it should remove any lust or
pleasure from him while he fulfils my needs. That
should improve concentration considerably, I do so hate
it when they spend so much time thinking of their own
selfish wants!"

'Table' groaned, more from agony than pleasure, as
his penis pumped and contracted yet again.


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In The Bank Manager's Cupboard. Thirty-six


posted by: "Christine" at u4ds.com / MsChristine.com
posted on: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:31:21 +0100


Previous issues


In The Bank Manager's Cupboard - by Ms. Christine
Copyright 1986-2009 Christine and David Stevenson


Part Thirty-six


Christine slipped the belt between Table's body and the
table top. She strapped it tight beneath him and fixed
the expansion straps, pulling the foreskin right back
to fit one behind his penis head.

Catrina appeared on the video screen, ordering David
onto his belly to lick her boot heels, as she stood legs
astride and arms akimbo.

Catrina liked to order slaves to lick her long stiletto
heels while she stood thus. The slave could look up her
skirt, if she were wearing one, satisfying her exhibitionism.
At the same time frustrating the male sexuality, her sadism
stimulated by the grovelling of the male beneath her.

Madam Kwai, seeing that the 'facility' was now free,
went upstairs to enjoy her turn. Her 'Table' was now
under the control of Christine, the vibrator still
degrading him internally. Christine was now
experimenting with the faradic equipment.

Sadine, Karin, Marique and Christine were all
entertained by Catrina's show. Karin was playing her
hand aimlessly over Pippa's nether regions while
attentive to the screen.

Christine similarly had two shows to amuse her.
One on screen, the other being 'Table' writhing with
alternating brief pleasure and intense discomfort.

Catrina was now sat on David's bed, legs spread. David
was obeying her orders to lick her boots from the heels
to the tops.

David had considerable difficulty complying with her
instructions, his hands still secure behind his back.

Catrina threatened, "Make a good job of cleaning my
boots, you are already in trouble for ogling me earlier,
you don't want me to double your punishment for sloppy
service."

David shook his head as he struggled to his knees to lick
further up. Catrina laughed at his efforts as she enjoyed his
tribulations.

When David had completed the boots she put his mouth to
use on her breasts and nipples.

Sadine confessed to Marique, "I hope she gets around to
punishing him soon".

Marique replied, "She likes to savour a man's submission
and servility first"

A loud moan came from 'Table' as he ejaculated in
response to Christine's torture.

As the ladies all applauded the spectacle, Christine
informed them, "He won't enjoy it, but I think I can
induce orgasmic spasms every five minutes or so".

Karin enquired, "Won't that give him too much
pleasure?"

Christine assured her, "Oh No! After the first two
he'll be dry, it will be more pain than pleasure".

Karin declared, "I can't wait to get mine, I like the
idea of milking David without giving him pleasure!"

Christine agreed, "If you bring about his first two
orgasms quickly, then you can give him another dozen
or so without giving him much pleasure at all.."

Sadine interjected, "That should be enough to put any
man off sex for a few days!"

Marique enthused, "I like the idea of using a sex slave
who has been drained, it should remove any lust or
pleasure from him while he fulfils my needs. That
should improve concentration considerably, I do so hate
it when they spend so much time thinking of their own
selfish wants!"

'Table' groaned, more from agony than pleasure, as
his penis pumped and contracted yet again.


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June to September 09 update

posted by: "Christine" at u4ds.com / MsChristine.com
posted on: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:37:35 +0100


Hello,

I've now completed and uploaded the June to September 09 update
update to the members web site.

Supporters of DOMestic can see the latest at

http://u4ds.com/2009/09/september_30th_2009.shtml

and access or search the last 13 years of DOMestic.


If you don't have a password you can search at least 3 months of
DOMestic using the search box at...

http://u4ds.com/

sincerely,
Christine at u4ds.com

You can support DOMestic at
http://www.mschristine.com/domsub4.shtml#card

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September 30th 2009


Index of the update to the DOMestic site on September 30th 2009

 

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Chastity, foot worship and feeling gelded by slaveboy

Reply by Super A

Reply by slaveboy


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Slaveboy's new chastity cage by slaveboy


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Chastity Question
Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is? by slaveboy

Reply by Super A

Reply by VickieTern

Reply by David Stevenson

Reply by Pietro Bianchi


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Domestic Discipline - Disciplinary Wives by David Stevenson


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Fem Dom games, contests and fun by various

Reply by Ms Christine


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How to fuck hubby with a strap-on by Ms Christine

Reply by pussikat steve

Reply by Jennie

Reply by Ms Christine

Reply by Madamplz

Reply by David Stevenson


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Humiliation - a personal anecdote by PapaHertz69


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Mistress and her maid - true accounts by sissy maid wendy


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Penis plug urethral play by j_stimmt

Reply by Sensual Femdom

Reply by j_stimmt

Reply by Sensual Femdom

Reply by Dale

Reply by d_brenn


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Pervy weekend - humiliation ideas needed by various


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Real life Fem Dom by MaitresseX


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Willing lickslave - what next? by judy

Reply by David Stevenson

Reply by Ms Christine


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Zapped and padlocked balls + software resuscitated by Timmie
(With replies by Ms Christine)


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September 22, 2009

2009-09-22 ( 16 edited messages )

# C: pleasure punishing or from dominating her man?
# Re: C: Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?
# Re: C: Fem Dom games and contests couples and bdsm groups
# C: Mistress and her maid - part seven
# P: out of the closet Phoenicia NY
# Re: U: Kinky Kollege - Beyond The Edge - October 2009
# C: Stereotypical Dom
# Re: C: Stereotypical(?) Dom(?) Pasadena(?) California


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C: pleasure punishing or from dominating her man?
Date: 9 Sep 2009 00:41:09 -0000
From: Joe


Question to Dominant Ladies,

It has been mentioned that some submissive men get major
satisfaction when they believe their Mistress is getting excited
or experiencing pleasure when they punish or demand other
services from him.

My question is: Do Mistresses really get excited punishing or
otherwise dominating her man or do they just fake pleasure?

My reason for asking is that I really get excited when I think I
am giving my lady pleasure by submitting to anything (no matter
what) she may require. I just wonder if I am being unreasonable
to expect her to really get pleasure from abusing me.

Joe


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Re: C: Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?
Date: 8 Sep 2009 21:02:51 -0000
From: jazzclassic


slaveboy wrote:

>Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?'


I have gone for an entire year without any milking being done,
and my body has taken care of it. It occurs as nighttime wet
dreams, or as dripping at times.

I do think that the necessity to milk is a myth, a myth put
forth by men.


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Re: C: Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?
From: VickieTern
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:40:35 EDT

slaveboy wrote:

>I've read that eventually the build-up of cum overflows into
>the bladder and gets released during urination. -snip- I was
>wondering if anyone can confirm that this is the case.


Here are two quotations from standard medical advice on the Web,
located courtesy of Google. (moderator has provided Google links)

The subject under discussion is "Flomax" (tamsulosin), a drug
commonly given to relieve urinary problems resulting from
prostate enlargement.

"Flomax is used to treat the symptoms of an enlarged prostate -
a condition technically known as benign prostatic hyperplasia or
BPH. The walnut-sized prostate gland surrounds the urethra (the
duct that drains the bladder). If the gland becomes enlarged, it
can squeeze the urethra, interfering with the flow of urine.
This can cause difficulty in starting urination, a weak flow of
urine, and the need to urinate urgently or more frequently.
Flomax doesn't shrink the prostate. Instead, it relaxes the
muscle around it, freeing the flow of urine and decreasing
urinary symptoms."

One side effect (in up to 18% of those who use this drug):

"Retrograde ejaculation - ejaculate enters the bladder instead
of leaving the body through the penis. This problem is usually
painless and harmless. Men with this problem may notice cloudy
urine after sexual intercourse."

So the answer to your question is Yes, even without drugs
designed to further relax the bladder neck's muscle, if
nocturnal emissions don't discharge accumulated cum, the excess
can leak back into the bladder and be urinated out.

Which has little to do with a main humiliating effect of
"milking," namely knowing that though a chaste male you are
being entered and stimulated as if a gay man or a libidinous
female and responding accordingly, finger-fucked up the ass,
your heterosexual masculinity challenged by your mistress. Until
one day you may grow curious whether a penis might accomplish
the same purpose more satisfyingly and your masculinity
retreats, defeated.

Vickie


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Re: C: Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?
Date: 9 Sep 2009 16:29:58 -0000
From: slaveboy


jazzclassic wrote:

>"I have gone for an entire year without any milking being done,
>and my body has taken care of it. It occurs as nighttime wet
>dreams, or as dripping at times."

Cool that you have gone a year. I'm going to post about the
following, but I would like to ask you, and anyone else who has
gone for weeks to months or more, the following question:

Did you ever spontaneously feel like you were falling in love
during that time of chastity? Ever experience "tingling"
throughout your whole body along with sexual or sensual
thoughts?


>"I do think that the necessity to milk is a myth, a myth put
>forth by men."

My gut tells me the same thing.

Vickie's answer seems to hit the nail on the head as far as the
humility angle and why a slave might want to experience milking.
But, I don't think any of the ladies here need to be concerned
about health-related issues if they enjoy keeping their man in
chastity.

Thanks for your replies. Private emails are also welcome.

THANKS!

slaveboy

Please visit us at chastityheaven for the finest custom made
chastity devices.


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Re: C: Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:51:36 +0100
From: "David" at u4ds.com


Hello,

I will give some medical quotes and links later (after this
post). But first, I once wrote here....

"Prostate massage is a medical thing, not just a bdsm thing, so
you should have no problems or embarrassment in asking your
doctor whether regular prostate massage is a good thing in your
case."

and I think that if you are in any doubt, you should ask your
doctor. Prostate massage can be both/either beneficial or
dangerous, see later.

Christine quoted me in her article at:

http://www.mschristine.com/DOMestic/dom2892.htm

where she gives lots of resource links for those interested in
the medical aspects. This kind of "Male Milking" does not
necessarily involve an ejaculation but usually results in a
gentle non ejaculatory and frustrating leakage, not unlike the
leakage both "jazzclassic" and "slaveboy" report happens
automatically in their own cases.

Neither of us believe that this form of "Milking" is "always"
essential, but it might be beneficial in "some" or even "many"
cases. In my own case it is highly arousing for me when my
Mistress "justifies" her sexual cruelty with a credible
statement along the lines of "I'm only doing it for your own
good".

In this manner we both think "Male Milking" can be deliciously
humiliating and wonderfully frustrating for the male who is only
permitted his "release" in this non ejaculatory manner. It is
one of the ultimate forms of very sexy cruelty and a form of
imposed chastity without necessarily requiring a belt.

For a masochist like me the humiliating style of clinical anal
penetration and stimulation can result in a high level of
arousal. It can provide either the illusion or the reality of
beneficial medical effects (prostate health). The male is denied
an ejaculation but is stimulated into a leakage of any seminal
fluids that may have built up.

So yes it is fun for those males and females who enjoy it, and
may have beneficial effects for some.

However, what I've described thus far is not "milking" by
providing an ejaculation. Nevertheless, ejaculation can be
medically necessary is some cases, and the need for this form of
milking in some cases is not a myth.

There is a body of medical opinion which believes that more
frequent ejaculation (and/or prostate massage) helps alleviate
prostatitis. (see quotes later). Therefore it is not a myth for
those who will gain some medical benefit from it.

It should be done carefully and safely. Christine has provided
several long articles in the past on why prostate massage might
be beneficial in some cases, and if you are going to do it, how
to do it safely.

You can read some of those articles via the link already given
above and a more fun description at:-

http://www.mschristine.com/DOMestic/dom0738.htm

VickieTern wrote:

>if nocturnal emissions don't discharge accumulated cum, the
>excess can leak back into the bladder and be urinated out.

This is correct. But some folk may be reading the "can" as "will
leak back" - while it "can" leak back it may not "always" do so,
and may result in aggravating inflammation if it does not.

jazzclassic wrote:

>"I have gone for an entire year without any milking being done,
>and my body has taken care of it. It occurs as nighttime wet
>dreams, or as dripping at times."

That's great. and as long as you are having regular medical
check-ups and are sure you have a healthy prostate, more power
to you.

slaveboy wrote:

>Ever experience "tingling" throughout your whole body along
>with sexual or sensual thoughts?

This always happens to me when I'm subjected to prolonged
arousal without ejaculation being permitted. It's the best and
probably the only 'buzz' I get without chemicals, and as I only
use tobacco and alcohol, and do not want to seek out any other
chemical "buzz" I highly recommend the buzz or high from
prolonged "prickteasing".

What's even better for me is to then "for the benefit of my
health" be permitted to "leak" by being "milked" as a form of
release.

This form of "denial" of ejaculation prolongs my arousal,
maintains the "buzz" and hopefully avoids any build-up of
seminal fluids which might have lead to prostatitis, which I
don't suffer from. But I'm not a doctor, and what works for us
is not a prescription for everyone. So get regular prostate
check-ups and consult a doctor on whether prostate massage is
advisable in your own case.

slaveboy wrote:

>I don't think any of the ladies here need to be concerned about
>health-related issues if they enjoy keeping their man in
>chastity.

I disagree not least because your word "any" is too broad. There
may be "some" ladies here who should be concerned. I'd go
further and say there is almost certainly at least one lady here
who should be concerned, and probably more than one.

Not ejaculating frequently and irregular sexual activity are two
of the causes of prostatitis listed below. But by all means read
the quotes below my sig line and judge for yourself.

sincerely,
David at u4ds.com

Download "Prickteasing" by David

Medical links:-

http://www.prostate.org/

and some quotes:-

Here are a few snippets from:-

http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/massage.html

It seems that gentle massage of the prostate by a urologist may
be beneficial by: helping to drain painfully sequestered
secretions in a chronically inflamed prostate gland or seminal
vesicles; or As a leading prostatitis researcher has stated,
"prostate massage" may help by releasing the tension around
nerve endings near the prostate

However, vigorous prostatic massage may be very dangerous. If
you have acute bacterial prostatitis it can result in
septicaemia (blood poisoning). If you have the beginnings of a
carcinoma in your prostate, it could conceivably result in the
cancer being disturbed, broken up and metastasizing (spreading)
around your body. Thirdly, it can result in prostatic calculi
(little stones -- if you have them) tearing the delicate
membranes in the prostate.

And here are a few snippets from:-

http://prostatitis.org/

Prostatitis is an inflammation of the prostate gland, often
resulting in swelling or pain. Prostatitis can result in four
significant symptoms: pain, urination problems, sexual
dysfunction

Estimates on the number of males in the United States who will
experience prostatitis during their lifetimes range up to 50
percent. Many urologic disease experts feel that from 5 to 10
percent of males will be experiencing prostatitis at a
particular time, making it one of the most common urologic
diseases in the U.S.

By far, the most common type of prostatitis is nonbacterial
prostatitis. Symptoms may include frequent urination and pain in
the lower abdomen or lower back area. Causes may be stress and
irregular sexual activity.

According to Dr. Leroy Nyberg, Jr., director of Urology Programs
at the National Institutes of Health, treatments for
nonbacterial prostatitis may include anti-inflammatory
medications or muscle relaxants, taking hot baths, drinking
extra fluids, learning to relax when urinating, and ejaculating
frequently.


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Re: C: Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:26:01 -0500
From: Super A


slaveboy wrote:

>the build-up of cum overflows into the bladder and gets
>released during urination -snip- my 'pee' was thick and
>appeared to be mostly cum -snip- Super A, waddya say... you
>are an expert on longer term chastity

I've never heard of anyone getting thick urine before or for
that matter getting the two fluids combined except perhaps some
thinning of the semen with urine, but not the other way around.

I've always found that I leak when necessary and that is what
everyone else I have communicated with has told me too. While
milking may have some benefits, my urologist told me you will
never see a study to this effect - and I believe him.

Super A


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Re: C: Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?
Date: 10 Sep 2009 10:55:23 -0000
From: thalassa97


By mental concentration I can ejaculate without orgasm and without
erection. Look at my video at:

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Re: C: Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?
Date: 10 Sep 2009 19:58:35 -0000
From: sub ray


i have only been milked one time, accidentally by a plug, but
have never been able to reproduce the same result. Mistress has
not yet tried to do it, but with a prostate plug, i am able to
leak a lot. i didn't know what was happening to me when it
happened, just had an urge to pee that i couldn't stop. i did
notice that it wasn't urine, but thick clear liquid.

So i know it is not a myth, just really hard to do (at least for
me). Every male is different i guess. As i read, you need to be
very careful if Y/you do it manually.

After two to three weeks of chastity, i notice my dreams get a
little wild (wet dreams). It is a nice morning waking up to an
orgasm :-) my Mistress sometimes helps out my dreams by lightly
touching me while i am in a deep sleep.


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Re: C: Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:43:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: "E."


>"Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?"

What a wonderful question! My wife is a gynecologist and is
pretty convinced that the necessity of milking is a myth, so
much so that she rarely allows me to cum and has made it clear
that she doesn't enjoy me cumming.

Yes, the body disposes of much semen on its own. The question
remains how significant it is if the prostate carries a hefty
load of semen most of the time - if some aspect of it adversely
affects the prostate and sets the stage for later cancer.

The indicators of a problem are BPH - benign prostate
hyperplasia or an increasing PSA number. I've always imagined
that finasteride or dutasteride would be effective in managing
possible BPH and have taken it prophylactically for years.

If my PSA numbers go up significantly, I'm not sure chastity
will remain part of what we do.



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Re: C: Fem Dom games and contests couples and bdsm groups
Date: 8 Sep 2009 21:06:31 -0000
From: jazzclassic


kink marshall wrote:

>Does anyone remember this publication


The book Mistress Nathalie wrote was i believe "Mistress
Nathalie's guide to foot slavery". She wrote a monthly column
about her and her slave husband Donald.

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Re: C: Fem Dom games and contests couples and bdsm groups
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:05:07 -0400
From: chmnceo


kink marshall wrote:

>mid eighties, there was a Mistress Nathalie, I believe was her
>name..., who published a 300 page or so Slave handbook


I believe the book you are referencing is "Mistress Natalie's
Guide to Foot Worship"


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C: Mistress and her maid - part seven
From: sissy maid wendy
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 01:22:45 +0000


Mistress and her maid - part seven
First part is at:- Wonderful visit - Mistress and her maid


The maid arrived for today's duties bearing champagne and red
wine for her owner and the written account of the last visit for
her Mistress to also read and place in the register.

The maid joined her owner in the lounge for today's
instructions. Today it would be cleaning the two dungeons,
dusting and placing the whips, canes and toys in their right
place, along with wiping down the floors, by hand.

The maid's owner decided on the more formal uniform with pink
blouse, and pink apron, with white lace suspender belt, black
stockings, pink padded bra and a white camisole, and high heels,
the blond wig and her usual pink owned collar, and the two
bracelets, one that read 'slave' and one that read "wendy".

The maid quickly completed her tasks of cleaning the dungeons,
re arranging the furniture, placing the canes and whips in
place, plus folding towels to make sure the rooms were ready for
use - but all the while checking her Mistress's red wine glass
was full.

Madam then accompanied the maid to the Dungeon for inspection
and to read the report of the last visit.

As Madam sat on her chair in the dungeon her sissy maid served
her red wine and lit her cigarettes for her. In between this the
sissy maid massaged her owner's feet, licked and sucked her
Mistress' toes, taking extra care on the large toe. The sissy
maid then sat on a chair opposite her Mistress, with maid's
dress and skirt raised exposing her freshly clean shaven sissy
clit.

The maid was also permitted a cigarette and a little red wine -
but the sissy was to hold her skirt, slips and apron high
allowing her Mistress a clear view of the sissy clit, and the
full sissy scrotum - the maid knew an orgasm and the use of the
maid's cream was now only for the superior sex's pleasure and no
longer hers.

As Mistress read the report of the last visit she noted the
typing errors...

It was then time for the sissy to admit any errors she had made
since the last visit - the sissy admitted to three unauthorized
orgasms - masturbation was permitted but orgasms not..... her
Madam could have excused one as a mistake or a stroke too many,
but three transgressions without a Mistresses permission or even
forced sex by a member of the superior sex would have to dealt
with.

Mistress told her sissy maid to wait in the dungeon and she
would return in sixty seconds.

As Madam returned she was zipping up her leather trousers, it
was clear she had been to the bathroom without her maid.

The sissy maid was ordered to assume the position bent over the
leather covered bench, dress and slips raised. The maid looked
to the mirrors on the wall, seeing herself bent over the bench
and the Mistress looking at the very bare bottom - a bottom she
was getting ready to punish.

Madam stood next to her maid and ran her hands over the maid's
bottom before starting some warm up spankings. These were in the
range of 6 to 10 medium spanks, the maid thanked her owner after
the spanking.

Madam then moved to the racks on the dungeon wall that held the
punishment toys of paddles, whips, canes, crops and more - it
was a well stocked dungeon built up by many years of use.

Madam made her selections returning with a cane, thin whip and
ridding crop. Madam positioned herself and raised the thin whip,
striking her maids bottom - it hurt the maid with her letting
out little scream followed by a whimper. The maid had no idea
how many strokes and of what she was to receive but she thought
maybe 12 strokes.

The maid was not restrained, cuffed or tied down in any way nor
were there were any safe words, no begging for the punishment to
stop - the sissy maid accepted her owner's right to punish as
Madam considered appropriate. This was not sissy or slave
visiting a Mistress for session, this was a Mistress and her
very owned slave, a slave she had spent years training to be her
maid.

As Madam alternated her strokes from cane, to whip, to riding
crop the sissy maid whimpered, let out little sissy moans and
screams, the sissy maids legs buckled, her sissy bottom moved,
but the maid remained bent over the leather bench, counted each
stroke out loud thanking Madam for each stroke and raising her
bottom to receive the next stroke, as the maid watched her owner
in the mirror changing from whip to cane to crop and raising her
arm to deliver each stroke.

After the twelfth stroke the sissy hoped it would end at 17,
then hoped it would end at 25 - but Madam had decided there
would be more.

Madam then took a break, but keeping the maid still bent over
the bench the Mistress stood behind the maid rubbing the crotch
area of her leather trousers against the maid's bottom as Madam
held the maids hips. this allowed Madam to feel the warmth of
the maids bottom, as well as remind the sissy that her owner
could use the strap on to screw her sissy maid's tight bottom
pussy at any time she desired - the maid ground her bottom
against her Mistress' trousers as an acknowledgment of
acceptance.

Before returning to the punishment of the sissy maid's bottom
Madam's hand slipped between the maids legs caressing the maid's
clit and shaven scrotum - reminding the maid of who owned these
sissy cock and balls.

Madam then continued the punishment with the maid still not
knowing how many stokes she would receive, at 35 strokes the
maid continued to whimper, and pleaded with her owner - not to
stop, but in the hope her owner would know the maid was truly
her servant.

After Madam had finished at 50 strokes, the Mistress turned her
maid around to face her, the maid was ready to fall to the floor
and kiss her owners feet - but Madam took the maid and held her
in a firm embrace, the maid responded, and thanked her owner for
the punishment, the maid felt many mixed emotions at this time
but submission was the most strongest.

The maid acknowledged to the Mistress that Madam could use her
any way at any time she wanted she was her Mistress' slave.
Madam held the maid like an aunt would hold a child, or mature
woman would hold a young man before she would use him - there
was no doubt Madam was pleased with her conquest.

Madam kissed her maid on the cheek as the maid was about to
break into tears.

Madam broke the embrace; the sissy fell to the floor now on her
knees but with Madam still standing the maid's head was held to
his Mistress waist.

Madam left the room for the maid to clean up. As the maid
cleaned up on her own the maid raised her skirts and softly
caressed her sissy clit, it was firm and erect - how the maid
hoped her Mistress would return and take her in hand and milk
her... the sissy's clit would now stay full until he had
permission from Madam for an orgasm (this permission would only
happen two days later).

The maid was then to change and join the household sitting close
to her Mistress until it was time to leave.

The Mistress then took her maid to the front door, but not
before one quick visit to the dungeon for the maid now in street
clothes, to kneel before her owner and to thank her owner for
collaring and training her.


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P: out of the closet Phoenicia NY
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 00:19:19 -0000
From: "glennbonne"


i'm 45, in great shape and have been a sub all my life in the
closet. i have many friends and know many people but people that
know me don't really know me. i am seeking a dom woman or couple
to own me. anything goes, i know where i need to be, at a
woman's feet to serve and worship.

i live in NY, a town called Phoenicia not too far from Kingston,
exit 19 off the thruway.

i have been looking for this all my life.


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Re: U: Kinky Kollege - Beyond The Edge - October 2009
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:21:48 -0500
From: "Pat"


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C: Stereotypical Dom
Date: 9 Sep 2009 21:29:03 -0000
From: Ninja X


I'm Dom - with all it's stereotypes and exclusions. Subs, feel
free to ask questions.


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Re: C: Stereotypical(?) Dom(?) Pasadena(?) California
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:20:42 +0100
From: "David" at u4ds.com


Hello,

I've got a few questions. I've put some of them in the subject
line I gave to your post on the blog - they are indicated by this(?)

Here are a few more....

Why bother? Do you read? Have you got a clue?

You posted from an IP address which is probably somewhere around
Pasadena, California, and you didn't even tell us that much, we
had to look it up. But beyond that we know nothing about you.
Your one line post is a complete waste of time. It included an
email address in the text when the posting form specifically
says not to do that.

Ninja X wrote:

>I'm Dom

Male or Female?

>with all it's stereotypes and exclusions

What would they be in your opinion?

>Subs, feel free to ask questions.

I've done so, would you care to explain also why you didn't read
a few messages before blundering in?

The posting guidelines for example?

http://u4ds.com/admin/posting/

sincerely,
David at u4ds.com

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September 20, 2009

Mistress and her maid - part seven


From: sissy maid wendy
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 01:22:45 +0000


Mistress and her maid - part seven
First part is at:- Wonderful visit - Mistress and her maid

The maid arrived for today's duties bearing champagne and red
wine for her owner and the written account of the last visit for
her Mistress to also read and place in the register.

The maid joined her owner in the lounge for today's
instructions. Today it would be cleaning the two dungeons,
dusting and placing the whips, canes and toys in their right
place, along with wiping down the floors, by hand.

The maid's owner decided on the more formal uniform with pink
blouse, and pink apron, with white lace suspender belt, black
stockings, pink padded bra and a white camisole, and high heels,
the blond wig and her usual pink owned collar, and the two
bracelets, one that read 'slave' and one that read "wendy".

The maid quickly completed her tasks of cleaning the dungeons,
re arranging the furniture, placing the canes and whips in
place, plus folding towels to make sure the rooms were ready for
use - but all the while checking her Mistress's red wine glass
was full.

Madam then accompanied the maid to the Dungeon for inspection
and to read the report of the last visit.

As Madam sat on her chair in the dungeon her sissy maid served
her red wine and lit her cigarettes for her. In between this the
sissy maid massaged her owner's feet, licked and sucked her
Mistress' toes, taking extra care on the large toe. The sissy
maid then sat on a chair opposite her Mistress, with maid's
dress and skirt raised exposing her freshly clean shaven sissy
clit.

The maid was also permitted a cigarette and a little red wine -
but the sissy was to hold her skirt, slips and apron high
allowing her Mistress a clear view of the sissy clit, and the
full sissy scrotum - the maid knew an orgasm and the use of the
maid's cream was now only for the superior sex's pleasure and no
longer hers.

As Mistress read the report of the last visit she noted the
typing errors...

It was then time for the sissy to admit any errors she had made
since the last visit - the sissy admitted to three unauthorized
orgasms - masturbation was permitted but orgasms not..... her
Madam could have excused one as a mistake or a stroke too many,
but three transgressions without a Mistresses permission or even
forced sex by a member of the superior sex would have to dealt
with.

Mistress told her sissy maid to wait in the dungeon and she
would return in sixty seconds.

As Madam returned she was zipping up her leather trousers, it
was clear she had been to the bathroom without her maid.

The sissy maid was ordered to assume the position bent over the
leather covered bench, dress and slips raised. The maid looked
to the mirrors on the wall, seeing herself bent over the bench
and the Mistress looking at the very bare bottom - a bottom she
was getting ready to punish.

Madam stood next to her maid and ran her hands over the maid's
bottom before starting some warm up spankings. These were in the
range of 6 to 10 medium spanks, the maid thanked her owner after
the spanking.

Madam then moved to the racks on the dungeon wall that held the
punishment toys of paddles, whips, canes, crops and more - it
was a well stocked dungeon built up by many years of use.

Madam made her selections returning with a cane, thin whip and
ridding crop. Madam positioned herself and raised the thin whip,
striking her maids bottom - it hurt the maid with her letting
out little scream followed by a whimper. The maid had no idea
how many strokes and of what she was to receive but she thought
maybe 12 strokes.

The maid was not restrained, cuffed or tied down in any way nor
were there were any safe words, no begging for the punishment to
stop - the sissy maid accepted her owner's right to punish as
Madam considered appropriate. This was not sissy or slave
visiting a Mistress for session, this was a Mistress and her
very owned slave, a slave she had spent years training to be her
maid.

As Madam alternated her strokes from cane, to whip, to riding
crop the sissy maid whimpered, let out little sissy moans and
screams, the sissy maids legs buckled, her sissy bottom moved,
but the maid remained bent over the leather bench, counted each
stroke out loud thanking Madam for each stroke and raising her
bottom to receive the next stroke, as the maid watched her owner
in the mirror changing from whip to cane to crop and raising her
arm to deliver each stroke.

After the twelfth stroke the sissy hoped it would end at 17,
then hoped it would end at 25 - but Madam had decided there
would be more.

Madam then took a break, but keeping the maid still bent over
the bench the Mistress stood behind the maid rubbing the crotch
area of her leather trousers against the maid's bottom as Madam
held the maids hips. this allowed Madam to feel the warmth of
the maids bottom, as well as remind the sissy that her owner
could use the strap on to screw her sissy maid's tight bottom
pussy at any time she desired - the maid ground her bottom
against her Mistress' trousers as an acknowledgment of
acceptance.

Before returning to the punishment of the sissy maid's bottom
Madam's hand slipped between the maids legs caressing the maid's
clit and shaven scrotum - reminding the maid of who owned these
sissy cock and balls.

Madam then continued the punishment with the maid still not
knowing how many stokes she would receive, at 35 strokes the
maid continued to whimper, and pleaded with her owner - not to
stop, but in the hope her owner would know the maid was truly
her servant.

After Madam had finished at 50 strokes, the Mistress turned her
maid around to face her, the maid was ready to fall to the floor
and kiss her owners feet - but Madam took the maid and held her
in a firm embrace, the maid responded, and thanked her owner for
the punishment, the maid felt many mixed emotions at this time
but submission was the most strongest.

The maid acknowledged to the Mistress that Madam could use her
any way at any time she wanted she was her Mistress' slave.
Madam held the maid like an aunt would hold a child, or mature
woman would hold a young man before she would use him - there
was no doubt Madam was pleased with her conquest.

Madam kissed her maid on the cheek as the maid was about to
break into tears.

Madam broke the embrace; the sissy fell to the floor now on her
knees but with Madam still standing the maid's head was held to
his Mistress waist.

Madam left the room for the maid to clean up. As the maid
cleaned up on her own the maid raised her skirts and softly
caressed her sissy clit, it was firm and erect - how the maid
hoped her Mistress would return and take her in hand and milk
her... the sissy's clit would now stay full until he had
permission from Madam for an orgasm (this permission would only
happen two days later).

The maid was then to change and join the household sitting close
to her Mistress until it was time to leave.

The Mistress then took her maid to the front door, but not
before one quick visit to the dungeon for the maid now in street
clothes, to kneel before her owner and to thank her owner for
collaring and training her.

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out of the closet Phoenicia NY


Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 00:19:19 -0000
From: "glennbonne"


i'm 45, in great shape and have been a sub all my life in the
closet. i have many friends and know many people but people that
know me don't really know me. i am seeking a dom woman or couple
to own me. anything goes, i know where i need to be, at a
woman's feet to serve and worship.

i live in NY, a town called Phoenicia not too far from Kingston,
exit 19 off the thruway.

i have been looking for this all my life.

glenn

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September 9, 2009

Stereotypical(?) Dom(?) Pasadena(?) California


Date: 9 Sep 2009 21:29:03 -0000
From: Ninja X


I'm Dom - with all it's stereotypes and exclusions. Subs, feel
free to ask questions.

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pleasure punishing or from dominating her man?

Date: 9 Sep 2009 00:41:09 -0000
From: Joe

Question to Dominant Ladies,

It has been mentioned that some submissive men get major
satisfaction when they believe their Mistress is getting excited
or experiencing pleasure when they punish or demand other
services from him.

My question is: Do Mistresses really get excited punishing or
otherwise dominating her man or do they just fake pleasure?

My reason for asking is that I really get excited when I think I
am giving my lady pleasure by submitting to anything (no matter
what) she may require. I just wonder if I am being unreasonable
to expect her to really get pleasure from abusing me.

Joe


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September 8, 2009

2009-09-08 ( 8 edited messages )

# C: Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?
# Re: C: Fem Dom games and contests couples and bdsm groups
# Re: C: collared DOMestic old timer AtcherServis
# U: John and Lisa - The Gathering/Dark Party Houston
# C: Mistress and her maid - parts five and six


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C: Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:43:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: slaveboy


We've been into chastity for about nine years now, but not the
continuous chastity that I am now "enrolled" in. I've never
considered the act of "milking" to be necessary because it
always seems that cum finds its way out on it's own via wet
dreams, spontaneous orgasms etc. I've been doing some reading
and I've read that eventually the build-up of cum overflows into
the bladder and gets released during urination.

I received apparent confirmation when I noticed once as I was
urinating that my 'pee' was thick and appeared to be mostly cum.
I touched that last drop and it was definitely thicker than pee.
It didn't feel any different than a normal urination and there
was no orgasm involved or anything remotely associated with an
orgasm. If I hadn't looked I wouldn't be asking this question.
That was a one time event and hasn't occurred again (to my
knowledge).

I was wondering if anyone can confirm that this is the case.
Super A, waddya say... you are an expert on longer term
chastity. Is that your understanding?

Has anyone else experienced this?

If so, milking is just another urban myth or wive's tale that so
many people just accept as true. I've personally never found it
to be necessary. About three weeks seems to be my personal,
physical limit where things find a way to resolve themselves and
one way or another the fluid finds it's way out. Thanks for any
input.

sb

p.s. Today is 12 weeks. Next week marks 1/4 of a year. I'm not
sure whether that makes me happy or sad.

p.p.s. Thank You Ms Christine and David for this excellent
forum. I've been remiss for not mentioning it before. You two do
an amazing job of providing a really class act with D/s
discussions and related topics. Thanks again!

please visit www.chastity heaven for the finest custom made
stainless steel male chastity devices


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Re: C: Fem Dom games and contests couples and bdsm groups
From: "James"
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:09:17 -0400


kink marshall wrote:

>in the mid eighties, there was a Mistress Nathalie, I believe
>was her name..., who published a 300 page or so Slave handbook


Natalia! Of The Rubber Whores fame?

I was wondering if anyone has heard of her or could shed some
light..

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Re: C: Fem Dom games and contests couples and bdsm groups
Date: 29 Aug 2009 23:37:53 -0000
From: awanker2


kink marshall wrote:

>I believe they were from Michigan or Wisconsin. Does anyone
>remember this publication


Mistress Natalie was from Michigan. Her book is great.

She liked to hold cum races at her parties. One involved each
male kneeling in a row with a saucer between their knees. When
instructed they were to stroke to orgasm. After all had cum they
were required to eat their cum, and the winner was rewarded, and
losers punished. Another required each male to jack off one at a
time into the same container. Each was timed and the loser
required to consume all cum. She liked to do several races in
the course of a party.

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Re: C: Fem Dom games and contests couples and bdsm groups
Date: 3 Sep 2009 20:59:01 -0000
From: kinkmarshall


Christine wrote:

>imagine the frustration of the one who thinks he is "coming"
>second if, just as his ejaculation started to boil over, he is
>told to "let go". (men do seem to hate having to let go at that
>critical moment :-)


Christine..., I love the way your mind thinks.., taunting and
frustrating the slaves within the contest.

I have never touched another mans cock.., nor do I have any
desire to. But to be forced to masturbate another slave, while
he masturbates me in the same kind of contest would be an
ultimate demeaning of my man character, but for which as a slut
slave I would have no control over.

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Re: C: collared DOMestic old timer AtcherServis
From: PapaHertz
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:37:36 EDT


Christine wrote:

>I would address you by name, but it's hard to communicate with
>a man with so many names. :-) Which of your own multiple names
>is your preferred "moniker"?

Thank you, Ms Christine:

I am a DOMestic member as PapaHertz [sorry I commented about a
change of name; I saw it in print as 'domestic' (lower case)
once or twice; glad to know it was a misprint].

I am also known far and wide, mostly 'wide' I'm sad to say, in
these parts [SoCal from Ventura to the Mexico border] as
PapaHertz. Indeed, online once asked if I charged less to rent
midweek, just like the car rental companies do. I then had the
temerity to say, "yes, my prices are very reasonable midweek."

Later I actually met the lady, husband in tow, at a then popular
dungeon just south of Hollywood, in LA. She did not seek to rent
me; I was uncollared at the time anyway, but I was thoroughly
intimidated when I saw her later in the evening walking
commandingly around the dungeon, a large, VERY large strapon
strapped firmly to her hips. [I almost said 'ample' in
description of the lady's midsection, but my luck, my current
owner would likely meet the lady at a party next week, and offer
me to her (Wishful thinking? NOT!)]


>Congratulations! May I be nosey and enquire whether you are
>now living as a couple? Don't feel obliged to respond, just my
>curiosity.


No, Ms Christine, it is devoutly to be wished! I do have a
"Queendom" set up for her in a small townhouse I own, here in
SoCal, which she visits twice a week. We are presently
negotiating for her to also take me to a local dungeon weekly so
she can practice her prodomme skills with me as a client.

Mistress is planning to 'go pro' starting with the New Year, and
though she successfully prodommed a couple of 'clients'
previously, she wants to be very proficient before advertising
her services now. We discussed that she not only takes liberties
with me much more than she would with a 'client', but also I've
proven, to her, so much more truly, an obedient 'slave' now than
I was during our first attempts to 'couple,' she has a hard time
assuming an angry demeanor, or a demeaning ownership posture, so
much sought by paying clients of prodommes, I have found.

Please don't envision the wrong thing from that word: 'couple.'
It signifies solely her command over me, treating my body as her
property, to be 'coupled' only in such ways as she desires,
(think clothespins to my nips and privates) and only if or when
she desires.

I should add I am a 'true' switch; proud I am able to be a
quality servant in Mistress's eyes after having owned a femme
slave of my own for almost three years, in the same quarters in
my home.


>you had trouble finding the correct address before (back in
>2003) when you tried to use DOMestic dot com to find us. That
>is a bank and has never been our domain, unfortunately.
>Perhaps you were making the same mistake this time?

No, Ms Christine, my computer skills have increased almost as
much as my submissive skills in the interim. This time I merely
copied your addie from one of your digests.

That said, both Mistress and I have pondered how to get the
appropriate Portuguese currency, or Eurodollars, to subscribe,
moreover to support, your endeavors, which worked before to
bring Mistress and I together. Please let us know. It seems to
me I had to get a U.S. Postal Money Order in equivalent dollars
plus affix correct U.S, postage to mail money to your mail
address in Portugal last time I subscribed.

I'd be honored to again subscribe, and as always, show
appreciation for your many personal replies, questions, and
comments to all of us who give tribute to your wonderful
endeavors.


>So perhaps a scorpio too?


Quite correct, Ms Christine. In fact, in my youth, I often
invited young ladies to 'feel' my sting, rhetorically of course
[NOT!] Needless to say I had a less than desired affirmative
response from the ladies of the day :-(


>Glad to hear that life is treating you so well. Do we have any
>bdsm'ers in SoCal who were born before November 1930 I wonder?


Thank you so much Ms Christine for posing that question. I've
often wondered if I am really the oldest practitioner in this
area but never had a proper forum to find out.

Until I hear from you again, Ms Christine, I remain

Your humble servant, Papa Hertz aka s.a.m.


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Re: C: collared DOMestic old timer AtcherServis
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:24:00 +0100
From: "Christine" at u4ds.com


Hello PapaHertz,

you wrote:

>I saw it in print as 'domestic' (lower case) once or twice;
>glad to know it was a misprint]


Not so much a misprint as an irritant on the Yahoogroups
version. On Topica we show as DOMestic. But with Yahoogroups we
could not have anything but lower case names when the group was
formed. It may have changed since and I have now managed to
change the subject line of the digest message to keep an old
timer happy. But if you visit the Yahoogroups site we still show
there in lower case.

DOMestic is delivered by multiple methods, and Yahoogroups is
just one of many.


>both Mistress and I have pondered how to get the appropriate
>Portuguese currency, or Eurodollars, to subscribe, moreover to
>support, your endeavors


As long as your card is not a Mastercard, it's much simpler to
use any other major card to support us, and it's all in US
currency at:-

http://www.mschristine.com/domsub4.shtml#card

We accept lots of cards, but Mastercard, like PayPal are unfair
to folk outside of the USA.

It is against Paypal rules for non USA based merchants to use
their systems for adult material of any kind. (see Paypal rules)

I quote from the first paragraph:-

"PayPal also currently does not allow transactions for any
sexually oriented physical or digital goods by non-U.S.
residents."

end quote.

Currently Mastercard in Europe are not processing for what they
define as "adult internet merchants" - although some businesses
are using non internet accounts to get adult orders processed,
they will be in breach of the rules and we do not wish to take
the risk of breaching Mastercard rules on this.

If you don't have a card we can take, then we can of course
accept your cheque by normal postal mail. (or cash only by
registered mail if you prefer)

So you can just send a personal cheque in US currency to...


Christine Stevenson,
Apartado 468
2504-914 Caldas da Rainha
Portugal


>It seems to me I had to get a U.S. Postal Money Order in
>equivalent dollars plus affix correct U.S, postage to mail
>money to your mail address in Portugal last time I subscribed.


As our prices have always been quoted in US currency it's only
folk elsewhere who need an "equivalent" (link provided on the
web) and as we've always accepted US personal cheques or cash,
you must have been over complicating matters needlessly. But
yes, if you can't use a card then it does require you to lick a
stamp (60 cents I think?) and stick it on an envelope with a
check inside.


>I'd be honored to again subscribe

We'd be equally honoured if you wish to support us.

>I've often wondered if I am really the oldest practitioner in
>this area but never had a proper forum to find out.

Folk are welcome to post to this thread and give their age and
location if they want to claim the title of the oldest bdsm'er
in any location. Aliases are accepted on the blog, and no email
addresses are displayed.

sincerely,
Christine at u4ds.com

The DOMestic discussion list. Now in our thirteenth year. The
password site now has over 6,700 files with well over 400
stories, plus pictures, and hundreds of articles. $26.99 for a
one year password. $16.99 for six months at

http://www.mschristine.com/domsub4.shtml#card

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U: John and Lisa - The Gathering/Dark Party Houston
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 19:34:00 -0000
From: "johndockerhstn"


Hello,

John and Lisa Shannen, hosts of The Gathering/Dark Party a
BDSM/swinger social mixer/play evening.

We look forward to following your posts. This looks like a fun
group.

John and Lisa Shannen
www.johndocker.com

"Scars are tattoos with better stories"~JohnDocker


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C: Mistress and her maid - parts five and six
From: sissy maid wendy
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:54:26 +0000


Mistress and her maid - part five
First part is at:- Wonderful visit - Mistress and her maid


The maid had been directed not to relieve herself during
masturbation from the Monday to the Wednesday when she would
next be before her owner. Madam had decided her maid would be
milked on her next visit, it was expected to be a full half day
of service with milking mid afternoon and then time spent still
as a maid before leaving.

The maid was to be trained to be a sissy to ladies post orgasm.
Madam had determined her maid would have wider use when on loan
to mature ladies if the maid could be trained to continue in
service after an orgasm, this would allow for continuing
housework, companionship or even additional sexual use and in
particular, oral services.

Madam changed the usual schedule for the day with the maid being
required to arrive in Madam's suburb and wait for reporting
until summoned by sms message.

The maid was summoned and reported as her owner stepped from her
car and walked to the front gate. The maid quickly opened the
gate and front door of Madam's home, dropping to her owner's
feet to kiss her shoes as sign of submission and then kneeling
to kiss the location of Madam's trouser covered pussy as a sign
of respect. The three step procedure had been used for many
years to greet her owner when they were alone.

The maid followed the Mistress to the lounge, poured his owner a
glass of red wine, lit her cigarette and then whilst his owner
rested, the sissy maid went off and started the cleaning of the
dungeons and vacuuming the hallway.

As part of the maid's dungeon work she removed all the toys from
the corner shelves, and cleaned each one of the anal toys,
vibrators, eggs, large and small. The maid also found an
attachment electrically powered that fitted around a cock to
vibrate and enhance the feel of excitement. She cleaned them
all, placed them on the shelves, located a number of strap-on
harnesses, including her owners which received an extra special
cleaning. It was his owners to use on her sissy as she wanted
to.

The maid quickly completed the cleaning of both dungeons and
vacuumed the hall. Before dressing in the maid's winter uniform
including suspenders, stockings, slips, camisole and blouse,
with high heels, make up and wig, but as always no panties.. the
maid was vulnerable at all times.

After spending time chatting to Madam and the household it was
inspection time for Madam, including of her sissy maid's clit,
and to read the report from the last visit. As Madam sat on the
high chair sipping her wine, her maid was as always required to
raise her skirt and display her Mistress' property - which had
not been emptied for many days.

The maid was now ordered to masturbate so her owner could make
sure the clit was functioning, erect and capable of use by
ladies in any way they might want. As the maid sat and stroked
her now large clit, Madam ordered the sissy to place the cock
clip vibrator around her sissy's now large and erect clit, but
to also after a while place a condom on the sissy clit. Madam
would use the remote control to increase the maid's erection as
the sissy masturbated.

Today the sissy was to milk in front of his owner on command.
After some twenty minutes of masturbation, her owner was
enjoying the sight of the sissy clit she now owned being milked.

On command the maid orgasmed. filling the condom, much to her
owner's smiles and pleasure to see so much cum from a large and
owned sissy clit.

After the sissy had cum, her owner continued to use the
vibrating control on her maid.

Unfortunately it was time for the sissy to now leave. The sissy
thanked her Mistress, changed and left to wait until she was
summoned again.

Had the maid not run out of time the maid was now certain that
with either a little restraint after the orgasm, and some short
companionship, the maid could have walked back into the
household with the condom still in place and in uniform for some
relaxation time for half an hour or more.

Perhaps having Madam later remove, or cut the tip of the condom,
to remove the contents, placing the liquid in her hand to be
placed drop by drop via her fingers on the nipples of her
breasts for her maid to lick clean.

This would be a special occasion and one that should be special
with special memories of the first time the maid would drink her
cum from her Mistress. It would also be fitting, as the maid's
cum, including every drop, was now owned by her Mistress. This
would be a treat for a serving period of a few hours to ensure
the maid, post cum, was interested in moving onwards.

A little bit of time in uniform between cumming and licking the
liquid milk from the tip of her Mistress' nipples, drop by drop,
would be a very found memory for the Mistress.

The droplets would serve as both a reminder of the sissy's need
to drink cum when required, but with the symbol of drinking it
from her Mistress' breast showing the power of a woman's breast
and how they are used to train sissies and nurture males and
females - the symbol of submission of drinking cum with the
symbol of a Mistress' milk.

Mistress and her maid - part six

(posted Fri, 4 Sep 2009 01:42:05 +0000)

Lunch


The maid arrived at 12 noon as directed with lunch of a roast
chicken, salad and two bottles of red wine

Today she would be serving not only her owner Mistress Ayla, but
also Mistress Genevieve (Mistress Genevieve, had full use of the
sissy maid when she wanted and was also custodian of the maid
when Mistress Ayala was away).

maid wendy on arrival sat next to her owner for the last-minute
instructions for the day - before heading off to change into the
sissy's maid uniform that was tailor made by Mistress Genevieve.
It was a short skirt, with an additional section to the uniform
that was a bit like a pinafore, stitched to the dress, with all
the edges of the pinny and skirt edged in white lace.

Today the maid also wore dark blue bra, a white satin camisole
and sheer white blouse, and three slips, two of white and one of
pink, the dress crossed over the back so the underwear was clear
to all in the house. Underneath the maid wore a white suspender
belt with dark black stockings and high heel black shoes....

The maid as always wore no panties, but remembered to tie a long
(possibly two meter) length of lace around the base of her sissy
penis/clit before lacing and tying the ribbon around the shaft.
This as a reminder of her place in the house and sign that her
penis/clit was now owned by her Mistress.

As the maid finished dressing, he could hear from the adjoining
room her Mistress and owner chatting to Mistress Genevieve as
she arrived, he could hear her Mistress telling the Mistress
Genevieve that her sissy maid was changing and would be with
them soon.. the maid finished dressing, put her long blonde wig
on, and went to the lounge to greet Madam and her visitor.

After greeting the ladies, the maid went to pour the tea and
coffee for them - but as luck would have it the kettle had not
boiled so when she served the tea and coffee it was cold. Both
Mistresses frowned on this with Mistress Genevieve noting it as
unacceptable and punishment would be handed out later for this
mistake. The maid then made the tea and coffee, poured the wine
for the ladies, and then went to prepare and serve lunch.

Lunch was served in the second dungeon with the maid seating the
Mistresses, serving their meals and pouring their wine. The
ladies were left on their own to chat and await additional
service from the maid.

After lunch was served the maid was summoned to the ladies
dining table to give both of them a foot massage, starting with
Mistress Genevieve. The maid then knelt before her owner
Mistress Ayla for lengthy foot massage and tongue worship of
each toe, and taking her time to suck for an extended period on
Madam's large toes like they were a penis, all the time looking
up at her owner as she smoked cigarettes and sipped her wine.

After the maid had finished her sissy duties, she assumed the
usual position over Madam Ayla's knees, the maid raised her
skirt to allow her sissy clit to find its usual place of being
gripped between her owners leather clad legs. Madam raised the
sissy maids skirts for a sound spanking, to remind the sissy
maid of her place in the household, to show the guests in the
neighbouring room who would be able to clearly hear the
spanking, so that they would also know who owned and controlled
the sissy maid.

A sound spanking of 304 slaps of Madam Ayla's hand warmed up the
sissy's bottom before the maid fell to the floor and kissed her
owner's feet, both of them, before raising herself to her sissy
knees and kissing his owner's leather trousers on the patch that
held Madam's womanly essence, through only the thickness of
Madam's panties and the leather thickness of Madam's trousers.
But this was a very, very long way from any possibility of
sight, or the maid's tongue.

After the maid's owner left the room, the sissy maid finished
cleaning the luncheon items away and returning the room to its
order....

Upon returning to the lounge the sissy sat on the sofa next to
her owner after first facing the humiliation of standing in the
middle of the room and raising her skirts in full view of the
household to display her reddened bottom.

After a discussion, Mistress Genevieve had a new whip she wanted
to try out, and what better place than on the sissy maid who had
served her cold coffee earlier in the day.

Mistress Genevieve directed the sissy back to the dungeons,
allowing the sissy to pick which room she would be caned in. The
sissy chose the front dungeon, being the furthest from the
household members, so she could scream or whimper for the
enjoyment of Mistress Genevieve. The maid was directed to the
bench, ordered to bend over the bench and raise her skirts
revealing her naked and very pink bottom.

Mistress Genevieve asked the sissy how many strokes she should
receive, the sissy for the first time with Mistress Genevieve
thanked the Mistress and asked the Mistress to make the decision
and the sissy would accept what Mistress thought appropriate.

The sissy was then whipped with four strokes of the new whip,
which was not flexible like a cane so it almost felt like a
solid piece of timber hitting the maid with a thud. It hurt and
the maid whimpered, asking the mistress for mercy and promising
not to let it happen again, but it was too late. Mistress
Genevieve was determined the sissy would be punished. After
those four strokes, Mistress Genevieve put down the whip and
took a flexible cane from the rack in the dungeon to give the
sissy another three stokes so she would remember her place.

After Mistress Genevieve had finished, the maid immediately fell
to the floor to kiss the Mistress' feet, to grovel and thank the
Mistress for her guidance.

The maid was then led back to the lounge and again in front of
the household displayed her reddened and now striped bottom.

The maid returned to the seat next to her owner, before walking
to the front gate and assisting Mistress Genevieve as she left.
The maid thanked the Mistress as the gate closed.

The sissy maid now returned to her owner to be instructed to
check the dungeons as her owner would be there for inspection
soon...

Madam entered the dungeon, inspected her property, checking the
maid's shaven sissy clit and sissy pussy. Madam checked the
maid's work in cleaning the dungeon but the maid's owner had
decided more with the cane was necessary. The maid was to
receive her second caning for the day.

The sissy was directed to the bench for second time today, but
before her owner selected the cane, her Mistress raised the
sissy's skirts as she was bent over the bench. With Madam
grabbing the maid's hips with both hands and holding the sissy
to her leather trousers Madam simulated a fucking of the sissy's
tight male pussy.

As the maid leaned over the bench looking to her right she saw
the Madam's harness and dildo, knowing that Madam was reminding
the sissy, her slave, what she is capable of and how it would be
very soon when Madam would exert her rights to her sissy's tight
pussy.

After this Madam then selected a cane from the rack and stood in
position to cane her sissy's bottom. The cane swished through
the air and struck the maid's bottom on four occasions, after
each the sissy's legs buckled as the cane did hurt, but the maid
straightened her legs up and raised her sissy bottom to receive
each of the remaining strokes from her owner.

Today the maid was dismissed without milking and without any
soft treatment. It was a very hard day for the maid with little
rest and leaving with her sissy ribbon covered balls so full was
very tough on her. She also had been left with no permission to
cum, except when she would be allowed vanilla sex the following
week.

Could she hold that long? An additional seven days on top of the
four she had already held back for.

The sissy maid left her owner's home a little disappointed that
her sissy clit was still full but knowing her Mistress was
pleased with her performance as the household sissy and personal
maid to Madam Ayla

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Chastity Question, Is "Milking" Just The Myth That I Think It Is?

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:43:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: slaveboy


We've been into chastity for about nine years now, but not the
continuous chastity that I am now "enrolled" in. I've never
considered the act of "milking" to be necessary because it
always seems that cum finds its way out on it's own via wet
dreams, spontaneous orgasms etc. I've been doing some reading
and I've read that eventually the build-up of cum overflows into
the bladder and gets released during urination.

I received apparent confirmation when I noticed once as I was
urinating that my 'pee' was thick and appeared to be mostly cum.
I touched that last drop and it was definitely thicker than pee.
It didn't feel any different than a normal urination and there
was no orgasm involved or anything remotely associated with an
orgasm. If I hadn't looked I wouldn't be asking this question.
That was a one time event and hasn't occurred again (to my
knowledge).

I was wondering if anyone can confirm that this is the case.
Super A, waddya say... you are an expert on longer term
chastity. Is that your understanding?

Has anyone else experienced this?

If so, milking is just another urban myth or wive's tale that so
many people just accept as true. I've personally never found it
to be necessary. About three weeks seems to be my personal,
physical limit where things find a way to resolve themselves and
one way or another the fluid finds it's way out. Thanks for any
input.

sb

p.s. Today is 12 weeks. Next week marks 1/4 of a year. I'm not
sure whether that makes me happy or sad.

p.p.s. Thank You Ms Christine and David for this excellent
forum. I've been remiss for not mentioning it before. You two do
an amazing job of providing a really class act with D/s
discussions and related topics. Thanks again!

please visit www.chastity heaven for the finest custom made
stainless steel male chastity devices

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September 5, 2009

John and Lisa - The Gathering/Dark Party Houston


Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 19:34:00 -0000
From: "johndockerhstn"


Hello,

John and Lisa Shannen, hosts of The Gathering/Dark Party a
BDSM/swinger social mixer/play evening.

We look forward to following your posts. This looks like a fun
group.

John and Lisa Shannen
www.johndocker.com


"Scars are tattoos with better stories"~JohnDocker

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