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Re: C: electrical play with internal metal plate?
Date: 24 Mar 2008 05:05:51 -0000
From: Lady Severe

Master Robert wrote:

>questions about electrical play on someone who has a metal
>plate in their body

I also enjoy electrical play. I am no expert and this is just my
opinion but... I would think as the plate is totally enclosed in
her body it has the same electrical potential as the rest of her
body. I would not wear a collar containing any metal just to be
safe. You could always ask her Dr.

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C: punishment, type, severity, Dom/sub feelings
Date: 25 Mar 2008 23:02:57 -0000
From: Anon Y. Mous

Hello:

Thanks for your response regarding slave contracts.

I have another topic for DOMestic readers and that is:
PUNISHMENT

I have read some of the reasons why a submale is punished in the
sample contracts I've read, but I would like to know the kinds
of punishment and how severe Mistresses/Dommes use on their
slaves or submales.

Also, do you punish "just because you feel like it", that is, do
so without reason to punish a submale? If so, how does it make
you feel? How does your submale/submissive react whenever this
happens? Does it give you more of a sense of power or control
over your slave or submale?

Does randomly punishing him "keep him in line" and/or stretch
his limits to enable you to explore more kinds of punishments
and/or become more severe with him?

Thanks!

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Re: C: Flogging the right person
Date: 24 Mar 2008 15:06:55 -0000
From: Jim

George wrote:

>I've been married 29 years, and need to find an answer to put
>the spark back in our relationship? My wife isn't in the mood
>for sex any more, she's only 49.

This is for George and any other sub males who follow this site.
I have to admit I am very lucky. I have found that hormones seem
to be the culprit for sexual desire. Suggest to your partner to
find out about bio identical hormones.

My wife has totally renewed sexual feelings when she started
taking progesterone and the three kinds of estrogen. I would
suggest you find a doctor that treats with bio identical
hormones and have her levels checked. It is an exciting time to
have your woman wanting sex again. Believe me the hormones will
do it.

If she is fearful of hormone replacement therapy I recommend a
book by Dr Uzzi Reiss, "Natural Hormone Balance for Women".

Be careful what you ask for, though. I am in a cuckold
relationship now since she has taken on new lovers. It is truly
an interesting situation, and I love it.

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Re: C: Flogging the right person
Date: 25 Mar 2008 15:08:14 -0000
From: Soumis555

Redlover wrote:

>If I find the right person I'll definitely leave my boyfriend.

Redlover,

I would love to hear more of what you're looking for, where
you're located... things that would express whether we might be
able to explore the territory you're looking to occupy, and
whether I might accept your lash.

Soumis

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C: Mistress with Her electro gear
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:11:43 -0000
From: "Frank" prismmcd

bzzt bzzt bzzt

Mistress has been chasing me around today, with Her electro
gear... ensuring that i complete making Her three new wooden
paddles.

how would you like that on your balls guys?

Bzzt bzzt bzzzzzzzT !

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C: bdsm on family television now ok?
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:35:12 +0000
From: "David" at u4ds.com

Hello,

Monday 24 March 2008 was a bank holiday in the UK, part of the
long Easter weekend. At about 5.15 in the afternoon here in
Portugal it was not a holiday, and I was sat at my computer
working. The TV was on in the room, tuned for no particular
reason to the UK mainstream television channel ITV1. (generally
regarded as the number 3 channel after BBC1 and 2)

I was a little surprised to suddenly be aware of a woman
whipping a man with what appeared to be a riding crop on the
television. Obviously such things tend to get my attention and I
looked up to find that the scene was in an episode of the well
known TV murder mystery "Midsomer Murders".

My surprise wasn't that they should have what appeared to be a
woman whipping her lover (or husband?) in an obvious SM in the
bedroom scene in that program. Television loves to increase
ratings by using our kink. My surprise was that in what would in
the UK be felt to be "family viewing hours", there was no longer
any problem in showing such things.

I didn't watch the episode in question any further as I was busy
at the time, and I doubt that they used the SM couple to show
bdsm in a particularly positive light. My impression was that it
was treated as a kinky sex secret likely to render the couple
victims of jest (or blackmail) as would be typical of such
shows.

But it does seem to show that bdsm in the bedroom is now such an
acceptable form of sexual activity, that it can be shown long
before the watershed on a holiday weekend. (9pm used to be the
watershed hour deemed to be the time after which it was ok to
show more adult oriented content in the UK).

sincerely,
David at u4ds.com

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Re: C: slave contract and punishments
Date: 24 Mar 2008 11:27:47 -0000
From: Tom Zed

slavemale88 asked:

>if any of you might know of any websites which contain slave
>contracts which specifically describe punishment

Googling the terms "slave contract bdsm" (quotes used to set off
phrase, omit them in your search). This search brought back over
40,000 hits and I got tired after scanning the first thousand.
Of the 1000 hits I scanned at least half had sample contracts.
Anyone for drinking from a fire hose?

Also "Jo Robinson" / Joro wrote:

>I use a general contract in which the sub has agreed to all or
>any forms of discipline which may be lawful between consenting
>adults; and a provision that I may from time to time make
>specific regulations with specific punishments (depending on
>circumstances) within this framework.

I do not know where "Jo" lives but for the USA and the EU the
above is grossly misleading from a laws on the books and a
technical legal point of view. Most forms of "discipline" in our
community involve assault (I say I am going to hit you) and
battery (I actually hit you).

It is well tested case law i.e EU Spanner Decision that a
citizen CAN NOT give consent to assault or battery except in
certain controlled ritualized events,i.e professional football,
boxing, being treated by a doctor or dentist. And while it may
be true that in some communities you might find a judge who is
enlightened enough to say "I know spousal abuse when I see it
and I know the difference between that and heavy consensual BDSM
play, do you really want to bet the next 20 years of your life
on finding such a judge?

In fact, unless you have an enlighten judge, all defense
evidence regarding life style, BDSM play can be and frequently
is ruled to be inadmissible at trial because "You can't give
consent to assault".

And if the moderator will allow me a few moments on my
soapbox.... It is because these laws are on the books, that our
community is soooooo easily marginalized and threatened by
mainstream society. Yes, how easily could you tell the
difference between spousal abuse and consensual BDSM, if the
abused partner had become convincingly complicit out of fear?

Unfortunately the only solution I've been able to think of is
for the community to set up education and certification like
scuba diving and like activities. However given the iconoclastic
nature of community members this idea goes over like a lead
balloon.

To date, I've had to be creative and have found remote control
TENS and dog collars particularly effective as a means of taking
discipline out of the bedroom, into the street and not being
arrested for it. Whenever I think of taking disciple out of the
bedroom, I am reminded of the line from show Hill Street Blues
"Now remember, be careful out there".

Cheers
Tom Zed

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Re: C: slave contract and punishments
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:49:47 +0000
From: "David" at u4ds.com

Hello,

On this topic I have a feeling that some folk (like me) tend to
talk about apples while other folk talk about oranges.

slavemale88 wrote:

>what is your favorite punishment of submales.

By asking about favourites, I wonder if slavemale88 wanted to
know which forms of discipline gives the ladies the most
pleasure to inflict?

OK slavemale88 also asked the sub-males which one they fear
most, but the dominant ladies focused their answers on what is
the "worst" punishment they can inflict rather than the ones
they enjoy inflicting.

There was no discussion of the mutual pleasure that both parties
can get from the process of crime and punishment.

I wonder if the subject of "slave contract and punishments"
meant that slavemale88 was actually interested in defining some
things he can be forbidden doing, and defining some forms of
discipline that would be applied if he subsequently did them.

Darlyn/Ms. Irish wrote:

>The best punishment for my slave is to just ignore him.

Best for whom? Does it give either of you any pleasure?

>That is worse than any kind of physical pain....

That is true for me too, much worse than pain. So that makes it
worst not best for us.

It is much worse for both of us, as it's not an effective means
of communication and doesn't do anything to enhance or improve
either of our lives. So no point including such a behaviour
pattern into our relationship.

>he hates when he has displeased me, which is not very often.

Same here. Which is why I don't do it at all, well not if I can
possibly avoid it.

So how can we get the fun of punishment? Surely not by ignoring
each other. Our way is to know through communication what we
each like and find ways to include it in our lives.

I like the idea that I'm forbidden certain things, and that I
will be disciplined for them. For want of better terms I'll call
that crime and punishment. One way of defining the crimes and
the punishments is to have a contract or agreement.

>But I have found to ignore him is the worst thing I can do.

Yep, that's definitely the worst thing I think anybody can do to
me in a relationship. But I think you also have other fun ways
of giving your sub discipline, as I seem to remember you've
mentioned the fact he's a pain slut here in the past.

Lady Severe wrote:

>One sub/slave's punishment is another's pleasure. Mine enjoys
>pain and humiliation. That makes punishment of him challenging
>at times.

Surely not? Surely once you know what he likes, you only need to
both find ways for him to commit acceptable and enjoyable crimes
so that you can give him the punishment he craves?

>By learning and knowing his mind I have found that turning him
>away and my disappointment are the biggest punishments I can
>inflict.

True, but what would be the point? Surely it would be more fun
to find ways to define things he can be punished for in ways
that you enjoy punishing?

slavemale88 wrote:

>for submales, what is the most severe punishment you fear

The one I enjoy fearing the most is Christine's thick red
handled cane. The canes I enjoy fearing (not quite so much) are
any of the thinner canes, and getting any of them isn't so bad,
but still painful and punishment.

The one punishment that would signal that something was going
seriously wrong with our relationship would be my Mistress
ignoring me.

Tom Zed wrote:

>Googling the terms "slave contract bdsm" (quotes used to set
>off phrase, omit them in your search). This search brought back
>over 40,000 hits

You'll get a lot less hits on the search engine on DOMestic. But
the results you'll get will probably be a lot more relevant.

Free search of at least 3 months is at:-

http://u4ds.com/

Members can search all 12 years of DOMestic at:-

http://www.mschristine.com/DOMestic/search.htm

You'll find lots on punishment and contracts there.

>in some communities you might find a judge who is enlightened
>enough to say "I know spousal abuse when I see it and I know
>the difference between that and heavy consensual BDSM play

True. I remember there was at least one consensual bdsm case
that came to court in the UK after the Spanner case. The judge
threw the case out and the reason he gave was that it was not
appropriate for the courts in the UK to get involved in
consensual S/M behaviour in marital relationships.

>I've had to be creative and have found remote control TENS and
>dog collars particularly effective as a means of taking
>discipline out of the bedroom

Yes. We also find the shock collars quite useful for taking
crime and punishment and pleasure/pain out of the home. But
perhaps slavemale88 would be just as interested in indoor
punishment and discipline ideas.

sincerely,
David

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Re: P: Cross dressing sissy slave in India
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:30:07 -0400
From: SwitchBaby

Anil,

Is this a written fantasy instead of an actual occurrence?

I traveled in India for several months, and while I personally
did not get invited to visit a prostitute/brothel (I am a woman,
not a man) the story smacks of complete fantasy to me. Women
would not be treated in this disrespectful manner.

Mistress M in NYC

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Re: P: Cross dressing sissy slave in India
Date: 28 Mar 2008 23:05:37 -0000
From: Lobojack

You are probably right, Mistress M ! It's just a written
fantasy, and I've seen much better ones.

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Re: P: Cross dressing sissy slave in India
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:12:19 +0000
From: "David" at u4ds.com

Hello,

Lobojack wrote:

>You are probably right, Mistress M ! It's just a written
>fantasy,

Well, if you read the DOMestic guidelines on posting personal
ads, which the last line seems to suggest it is, you'll see that
we recommend folk "open yourself up to the list and tell a
story."

It seems to me that as Anil is in India, he may have understood
that to mean a fantasy. (and a fantasy can express quite a lot
about a person).

When a chap is opening himself up do we have to jump all over
him?

Lobojack wrote:

>and I've seen much better ones.

I've seen a lot worse.

If Anil's first language is not English, I think he did rather
well. And his fantasy (or reality?) probably does go a long way
to explaining who he is and what he is into.

To remind you, I quote the last line of Anil's post:-

>"I wish to be completely sissified with complete bondage and
>submission by a strong female."

sincerely,
David at u4ds.com

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S: In The Bank Manager's Cupboard. Part Eleven.
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:19:23 +0000
From: "Christine" at u4ds.com

Previous issues are at:-
http://u4ds.com/stories/meeting_and_seduction/

In The Bank Manager's Cupboard - by Ms. Christine
Copyright 1986-2008 Christine and David Stevenson

Part Eleven.

When eventually he once again looked back at her, and
she felt he was calm enough to be paying full attention
to her words, she continued. "Now, wanker! Those were
the two punishments I promised you. Did you think that
was just retribution for your disgusting behaviour?"

David didn't immediately know how he was supposed to
answer.

Karin picked up her cat and swished it across his
buttocks. Swiiishhtttt, "Answer me!" she demanded.

David's body jerked and unthinkingly he shook his head.

"No?" Karin queried, "A glutton for punishment are we?"

Swiiishhtttt, she lashed him again. "Then we'll
continue until you do. Besides I find that I have not
finished teaching you all of my rules. So I will use
this until you have learnt and remembered them
thoroughly."

She waved the cat in front of his face. David nodded,
trying to signal that he did indeed think he had
suffered just retribution. Then shook his head in an
attempt to indicate that he could take no more.

Karin giggled, "You just can't make up your mind can
you, which is it, Yes or No?"

David couldn't win, he had no idea which question he
was answering. He daren't move for fear of bringing
further wrath down upon him and he slumped down into
the bed in complete and abject submission.

"No matter, there are only a couple more rules. Look at
me and listen wanker." Karin then proceeded to lash the
cat down at a steady pace, making up rules as she went
along.

"Rule five." SWIIISHHTTT, "Male" SWIIISHHTTT,
"masturbation," SWIIISHHTTT, "sexual" SWIIISHHTTT,
"pleasure" SWIIISHHTTT, "and" SWIIISHHTTT, "orgasm"
SWIIISHHTTT, "are" SWIIISHHTTT, "only" SWIIISHHTTT,
"ever" SWIIISHHTTT, "allowed" SWIIISHHTTT, "as"
SWIIISHHTTT, "entertainment" SWIIISHHTTT, "for"
SWIIISHHTTT, "my" SWIIISHHTTT, "amusement,"
SWIIISHHTTT, "or" SWIIISHHTTT, "as" SWIIISHHTTT, "an"
SWIIISHHTTT, "occasional" SWIIISHHTTT, "reward"
SWIIISHHTTT, "for" SWIIISHHTTT, "good" SWIIISHHTTT,
"behaviour." SWIIISHHTTT

Karin of course favoured the cat as her most enjoyable
implement, and obviously she saved the best until last.

"At" SWIIISHHTTT, "any" SWIIISHHTTT, "other"
SWIIISHHTTT, "time," SWIIISHHTTT, "I" SWIIISHHTTT,
"will" SWIIISHHTTT, "regard" SWIIISHHTTT, "such"
SWIIISHHTTT, "wanking" SWIIISHHTTT, "and" SWIIISHHTTT,
"erections" SWIIISHHTTT, "as" SWIIISHHTTT, "filthy"
SWIIISHHTTT, "male" SWIIISHHTTT, "self" SWIIISHHTTT,
"indulgence" SWIIISHHTTT, "and," SWIIISHHTTT, "as"
SWIIISHHTTT, "such," SWIIISHHTTT, "it will"
SWIIISHHTTT, "be" SWIIISHHTTT, "severely" SWIIISHHTTT,
"punished." SWIIISHHTTT

Karin's sexual excitement was rising, throughout the
punishment she had been stimulating herself with her
fingers and the handle of the cat. David was unable to
tear his eyes away, until the next inevitable lash. The
combination of the pain with her sexual display was
almost hypnotic in it's fascination.

Karin was now enjoying two pleasures simultaneously and
found it difficult to choose between them. However, the
temptation to stop the whipping for an orgasm was
resisted, and she continued with the beating.

"Rule six." SWIIISHHTTT,
"Female" SWIIISHHTTT,
"pleasure," SWIIISHHTTT,
"sexual" SWIIISHHTTT, "or"
SWIIISHHTTT, "otherwise,"
SWIIISHHTTT, "is"
SWIIISHHTTT, "to be"
SWIIISHHTTT, "your"
SWIIISHHTTT, "only"
SWIIISHHTTT, "goal."
SWIIISHHTTT, "All"
SWIIISHHTTT, "female"
SWIIISHHTTT, "sexual"
SWIIISHHTTT, "activity"
SWIIISHHTTT, "is"
SWIIISHHTTT, "beautiful,"
SWIIISHHTTT, "unlike"
SWIIISHHTTT, "the"
SWIIISHHTTT, "male's"
SWIIISHHTTT, "messy"
SWIIISHHTTT, "wanking."
SWIIISHHTTT, "You"
SWIIISHHTTT, "will"
SWIIISHHTTT, "worship"
SWIIISHHTTT, "female"
SWIIISHHTTT, "sexuality"
SWIIISHHTTT, "and"
SWIIISHHTTT, "strive for"
SWIIISHHTTT, "female" SWIIISHHTTT, "orgasmic"
SWIIISHHTTT, "pleasure." SWIIISHHTTT

Since Karin was already so close to her peak, it took
only a little more stimulation to bring her to her
first orgasm. She had no concentration left, so without
bothering to invent further rules she interspersed the
final few strokes with rubbing herself with the whip
handle.

As David whined and groaned in almost insensible agony,
he became aware of Karin's moaning. His eyes, which he
screwed shut at every stroke, in an attempt to overcome
the pain, opened to look upon her again. This time
instead of his fatal fascination with her masturbation,
he saw her bring herself to her climax.

Her excitement was so intense that she shook and almost
collapsed. She could feel that she was already close to
a second orgasm and pushed her panties down. She
stepped out of them, climbed onto the bed, and sat
astride the back of David's head. Then sliding down she
held the gag strap like a rein. She rubbed her pussy
against the sinews of his neck, forcing his face into
the bed, and literally oppressing him with the power of
her climax.

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